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EnragedDiggle
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Why Other "Utopias" Fail
Laziness.
It's as simple as that. If we get past the planning point, we NEED to have some sort of hard rule.
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"If you wish to stay in New Eden, you must work your share. "Working your share" is defined as working at least hard enough to feed yourself and 1/5th of a person. "
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Quirinus
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Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail
is that ratio a product of research? I would like to know more about self-sufficient societies.
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Stexem
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Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail
Laziness isn't the only reason. There are a lot of others that we'll need to look into.
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Reasons Utopias Fail
*bad quality land, bad weather conditions, little water
*settlers aren't knowledgeable enough about what founding their utopia entails
*diseases, fires, natural disasters
*leadership is too oppressive or demanding, too many rules (people need entertainment), people are worked too hard or too long [see Fordlandia for a perfect example of this]
*disagreements over who should lead or how the town should be governed
*utter conformity is essential, propaganda of any sort, "state religions"
*opposition from a major government or other force
*seen as evil/unusual/blasphemous/manipulative/criminal by locals, causing it to be feared and hated
*cannot produce enough goods or services to stay afloat
*absolutely bonkers (paranoia, hatred of other factions, irrational behavior)
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EnragedDiggle
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Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail
No, I just made it up on the spot
It seems like a good ratio, though. Presuming that the average person produces enough to feed 1.25 people, and a hard worker produces enough to feed 1.5-2 people. It allows for everyone to work at their own pace, as long as they aren't lazy.
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Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail
Yeah, I agree with this. It makes sense. If the farmers just work to feed themselves, everyone would need to run a farm. However, if the farmers work to feed themselves and another person, we could have several industries while still keeping the town self-sustainable.
Assuming the farmers get a reasonable amount of land, this shouldn't be too difficult.
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EnragedDiggle
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Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail
Keep in mind that a good ratio for farmers is 1 acre a person. 1/2 acre is enough to feed 1 to 2 people, depending on usage, crops and soil quality. One farmer can keep 1 acre of farmland using noncommercial methods with ease(including animals).
And, most people will have some kind of back garden, of course, even if they are not a gardener. Being self-sufficient is key in a system like this. The more resources we have left over, the more we can spend on expansions, increasing quality of life, etc.
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Stexem
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Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail
I agree with that.
Speaking of animals - what animals should we go for? I'm thinking chickens or rabbits (maybe some aquaculture as well) should be inexpensive enough, plus they thrive on small plots of land.
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Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail
quote: Stexem wrote:
I agree with that.
Speaking of animals - what animals should we go for? I'm thinking chickens or rabbits (maybe some aquaculture as well) should be inexpensive enough, plus they thrive on small plots of land.
Rabbits are fairly easy, but I hate plucking chickens. Unless you want them for the eggs; that's different.
Sheep are something to consider for the long-term, but probably not for the first few years.
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Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail
Rabbits breed quickly and make great stews. Chickens are good, as well. I think those are both great ideas.
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Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail
Chicken are a complete yes, 100% yes.
Rabbits are a yes, but perhaps not the best source of meat.
Goats are needed, their milk is delicious and versatile, they eat any long grasses, and their fur can be made into fabric.
Bees are a 100% yes. Absolutely required.
But yeah, for the first year, Chicken, Goats, Bees, possibly rabbit, possibly duck(if we have a water source).
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