Runboard.com
Слава Україні!
Community logo


runboard.com       Sign up (learn about it) | Sign in (lost password?)

Page:  1  2  3  4  5 

 
EnragedDiggle Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2011
Posts: 55
Karma: 3 (+3/-0)
Reply | Quote
Why Other "Utopias" Fail


Laziness.

It's as simple as that. If we get past the planning point, we NEED to have some sort of hard rule.

Ex.

"If you wish to stay in New Eden, you must work your share. "Working your share" is defined as working at least hard enough to feed yourself and 1/5th of a person. "

Last edited by EnragedDiggle, 12/3/2011, 12:37 am
12/3/2011, 12:26 am Link to this post Email EnragedDiggle   PM EnragedDiggle Blog
 
Quirinus Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2011
Location: California
Posts: 42
Karma: 0 (+1/-1)
Reply | Quote
Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail


is that ratio a product of research? I would like to know more about self-sufficient societies.
12/3/2011, 12:41 am Link to this post Email Quirinus   PM Quirinus Blog
 
Stexem Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2011
Posts: 460
Karma: 6 (+6/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail


Laziness isn't the only reason. There are a lot of others that we'll need to look into.

BEHOLD THE POWER OF LISTS!!!

Reasons Utopias Fail
*bad quality land, bad weather conditions, little water

*settlers aren't knowledgeable enough about what founding their utopia entails

*diseases, fires, natural disasters

*leadership is too oppressive or demanding, too many rules (people need entertainment), people are worked too hard or too long [see Fordlandia for a perfect example of this]

*disagreements over who should lead or how the town should be governed

*utter conformity is essential, propaganda of any sort, "state religions"

*opposition from a major government or other force

*seen as evil/unusual/blasphemous/manipulative/criminal by locals, causing it to be feared and hated

*cannot produce enough goods or services to stay afloat

*absolutely bonkers (paranoia, hatred of other factions, irrational behavior)

Last edited by Stexem, 12/3/2011, 12:48 am


---
https://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=rizon.mibbit.org&channel=%23kantachat
Sunday, 8 PM Central. Be there.
12/3/2011, 12:47 am Link to this post Email Stexem   PM Stexem Blog
 
EnragedDiggle Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2011
Posts: 55
Karma: 3 (+3/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail


No, I just made it up on the spot emoticon


It seems like a good ratio, though. Presuming that the average person produces enough to feed 1.25 people, and a hard worker produces enough to feed 1.5-2 people. It allows for everyone to work at their own pace, as long as they aren't lazy.
12/3/2011, 12:55 am Link to this post Email EnragedDiggle   PM EnragedDiggle Blog
 
Stexem Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2011
Posts: 460
Karma: 6 (+6/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail


Yeah, I agree with this. It makes sense. If the farmers just work to feed themselves, everyone would need to run a farm. However, if the farmers work to feed themselves and another person, we could have several industries while still keeping the town self-sustainable.

Assuming the farmers get a reasonable amount of land, this shouldn't be too difficult.

---
https://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=rizon.mibbit.org&channel=%23kantachat
Sunday, 8 PM Central. Be there.
12/3/2011, 1:11 am Link to this post Email Stexem   PM Stexem Blog
 
EnragedDiggle Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2011
Posts: 55
Karma: 3 (+3/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail


Keep in mind that a good ratio for farmers is 1 acre a person. 1/2 acre is enough to feed 1 to 2 people, depending on usage, crops and soil quality. One farmer can keep 1 acre of farmland using noncommercial methods with ease(including animals).

And, most people will have some kind of back garden, of course, even if they are not a gardener. Being self-sufficient is key in a system like this. The more resources we have left over, the more we can spend on expansions, increasing quality of life, etc.
12/3/2011, 1:24 am Link to this post Email EnragedDiggle   PM EnragedDiggle Blog
 
Stexem Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2011
Posts: 460
Karma: 6 (+6/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail


I agree with that.

Speaking of animals - what animals should we go for? I'm thinking chickens or rabbits (maybe some aquaculture as well) should be inexpensive enough, plus they thrive on small plots of land.

---
https://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=rizon.mibbit.org&channel=%23kantachat
Sunday, 8 PM Central. Be there.
12/3/2011, 1:36 am Link to this post Email Stexem   PM Stexem Blog
 
Kanta Lope Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Moderator

Registered: 12-2011
Posts: 183
Karma: 7 (+7/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail


quote:

Stexem wrote:

I agree with that.

Speaking of animals - what animals should we go for? I'm thinking chickens or rabbits (maybe some aquaculture as well) should be inexpensive enough, plus they thrive on small plots of land.



Rabbits are fairly easy, but I hate plucking chickens. Unless you want them for the eggs; that's different.
Sheep are something to consider for the long-term, but probably not for the first few years.
12/3/2011, 1:39 am Link to this post Email Kanta Lope   PM Kanta Lope Blog
 
Pararahma Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2011
Posts: 50
Karma: 2 (+2/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail


Rabbits breed quickly and make great stews. Chickens are good, as well. I think those are both great ideas.
12/3/2011, 1:40 am Link to this post Email Pararahma   PM Pararahma Blog
 
EnragedDiggle Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 12-2011
Posts: 55
Karma: 3 (+3/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Why Other "Utopias" Fail


Chicken are a complete yes, 100% yes.
Rabbits are a yes, but perhaps not the best source of meat.
Goats are needed, their milk is delicious and versatile, they eat any long grasses, and their fur can be made into fabric.
Bees are a 100% yes. Absolutely required.

But yeah, for the first year, Chicken, Goats, Bees, possibly rabbit, possibly duck(if we have a water source).
12/3/2011, 1:41 am Link to this post Email EnragedDiggle   PM EnragedDiggle Blog
 


Add a reply

Page:  1  2  3  4  5 





You are not logged in (login)
Back To Top